麦当劳发行“巨无霸币”,网友化身汉堡经济学家!



  • So they agree that fiat currency has no value anymore.
    所以人们真的觉得法币不再有任何价值了吗?
    我是一名麦当劳的员工。之前,我们会赠送顾客一些礼品卡,用来兑换巨无霸汉堡。最近,我们收到了一盒子硬币,也可以用来兑换巨无霸。如果你有一个这样的硬币,你就可以用它换一个巨无霸汉堡。我不是什么经济学家,不过既然金本位早就破产,我们的钱也没有任何价值,而这些硬币能和巨无霸挂钩,那么是不是意味着这些硬币比我们自己的货币更稳定呢?
    Who's "they"? The random person who wrote this?
    “人们”是谁?说上面这段话的人吗?
    Sounds like a McDonald's employee.
    听起来像是麦当劳的员工。
    Not only is the Big Mac coin more stable than the US Peso, but its also Anti-Inflationary!!!!
    巨无霸币不仅比美元稳定,还抗通胀!
    no, eating big macs will definitely cause you to inflate
    不,吃巨无霸肯定会让你通胀(发胖)。
    One a day is fine
    一天一个还不错。
    That only causes slow inflation
    一天一个只不过是慢性通胀罢了。
    Really depends on your definition of fine. I would feel like complete shit if I ate a big mac every day.
    这取决于你对不错的定义。我要是每天吃一个巨无霸,肯定感觉很糟。

    your feeling like shit is irrelevant. This is about big Mac economics. Also, your inflating diabetic numbers are also irrelevant. In fact, your overall health is irrelevant where McDonald's is concerned. Take your silly healthy eating to Whole Foods!
    你的感觉并没有什么用。这可是巨无霸经济学。糖尿病人越来越多也无所谓。说实话,麦当劳根本不关心你们的健康,带着你的健康食谱见鬼去吧!

    True, plus big-macs aren't even close to what they were 35yrs ago. They used to have better beef, shredded lettuce, real cheese, and a genuine special sauce. Now? -old leaf lettuce, green tomato, cold beef, stale bun,....and tastes like bottled russian dressing. take a bite and throw out.
    确实,而且巨无霸也没有以前好吃了。之前的牛肉更好,精制生菜丝,货真价实的奶酪,还有特制的酱汁。现在只有老菜叶子,绿番茄,冷牛肉,老面包...吃起来和猪食差不多。咬一口就可以扔掉了。

    Big Macs get smaller every year. Go grab a big mac, they are barely macs anymore, much less big.
    巨无霸一直在缩水。现在的巨无霸就和普通汉堡大小差不多,完全称不上巨。

    Well McDonald's can just mint how ever many bigmac coins they want. As well as produce how ever many bigmac they need. There are not a finite number of bigmacs to which they are bound. Thus it is an inflationary currency.
    Em...麦当劳想印多少巨无霸币就能印多少,想做多少巨无霸汉堡也能做多少。所以巨无霸的数量是无限的,这就是一个通胀币啊!

    proof of beef
    基于牛肉的证明(对比POS)
    Proof of steak
    基于牛排的证明

    But as long as 1 coin = 1 Big Mac then the coin is not inflationary. I think what you’ve proven here is that the Big Macs themselves are an inflationary currency.
    但是只要一个币=一个巨无霸,那巨无霸币就不会通胀。我觉得你只是证明了巨无霸本身是通胀的。
    You're completely discounting the fact that big macs are finite though. Sure new ones are created at an alarming rate, but they're also consumed nearly as quickly, and unless something's changed in the last 5 minutes, I'm pretty sure renewable resources such as meat are still finite in current supply.
    而且你完全忽视了一个事实,巨无霸的总数是有限的。确实,巨无霸的生成速度很快,但是人们消费巨无霸的速度也很快。除非有什么大新闻,当下而言,肉其实是一种有限的可再生资源。

    The only way the big mac can be truly inflationary is if McD's starts producing more of them than are consumed, and then continuing to serve them. Today's special, 3 day old Big Macs, same price as fresh ones.
    能让巨无霸通胀的唯一方法就是麦当劳产能过剩,而且不停的销售巨无霸。我今天买了个三天前的老巨无霸,价格居然和新出炉的一样!(反讽)

    The coins aren't back by Big Macs. If they were backed by Big Macs, for every coin that was issued there would be a Big Mac in reserve. I'm almost certain they don't have a big reserve a Big Macs.
    这种币的标的并不是巨无霸汉堡。如果对标巨无霸,那么每发行一个币,就要将一个巨无霸作为储备金。我百分百确信麦当劳没有这么多的巨无霸储备。

    It's backed by the faith and credit of McDonald's to produce a big mac at time of redemption. Circulating notes always exceeded gold reserves under the gold standard, but it was backed by the guarantee of redemption. Pretty solid currency if you ask me.
    巨无霸币的背后其实是麦当劳的信誉和信心,人们相信麦当劳每次都能完成币与汉堡的兑换。金本位中,流通的货币肯定是大于黄金储备的。保兑机制才是真正的重点。因此我觉得巨无霸币稳得很。

    Gold standard was supposed to be backed by actual gold, but of course with fractional reserve it's been quite a few centuries since that was actually true. Even then, it's interesting to see how every few years gold and silver coins used to be melted and reissued with a lower weight, and this went on for centuries upon centuries.
    金本位应该有实际等量的黄金作为后盾。但是在实行部分准备制的情况下,很难做到等量的黄金储备。而且每隔几年,金银币就会被回炉重铸,再次发行时重量就会减少。这一招都玩了好几个世纪了。

    Can you explain why people think gold is so good as a currency or why money backed by gold is a good thing? Isn't gold inherently valueless the same as fiat? For example:
    有人能解释一下为什么黄金就能作为货币使用呢?为啥有黄金作为后盾的货币就人见人爱?黄金在本质上不是和法定货币一样毫无价值的吗?举例来说:
    Fiat: I will accept this fiat for my goods and services because I know that others will accept it for their goods and services.
    法币:在我出售商品或提供服务时, 我会接受法币支付,因为我知道其他出售商品和服务的人也会接受法币。
    Gold: I will accept this gold for my goods and services because I know that others will accept it for their goods and services.
    黄金:在我出售商品或提供服务时,我会接受黄金支付,因为我知道其他出售商品和服务的人也会接受黄金。

    It has no inherent value other than people agree that it has value. It seems to me that the the only thing with true inherent value are goods and services themselves. Humanity started out with that but quickly realized making an abstraction of that value in the form of something easily tradeable but with no inherent value (shells, beads, precious metals, fiat, etc) was the easier way to go.
    除了人们的认同价值外,黄金并没有什么内在的价值。在我看来,真正有内在价值的就是商品和服务本身。人类最开始以物易物,但很快意识到要用一种没有什么内在价值,但易于交易的东西来对价值进行抽象化的替代,因为这样更方便。(比如贝壳,珠子,贵金属,法币)
    Gold is also a good valuable on itself: it doesn't oxidize, it's easy to work with, it's a good electrical conductor, it's somewhat scarce, it's shiny, and it's fungible and divisible which makes it great to be used as a currency.
    黄金本身就很有价值:抗氧化,易加工,良导体,稀缺品,闪闪发光,可以交换且易于分割,简直是天生的货币。

    Of course part of its current value comes from speculation, and what essentially is trust in others trusting in its value, but even if all that was to disappear, gold would never reach zero value.
    当然,黄金的部分价值来源于投机。最根本的价值则是人们相信其他人都对黄金的价值深信不疑。不过就算以上这些都没了,黄金的价值也不会归零。

    I don't personally think that money backed by gold is a good thing, I think it's good to keep money and goods separated. The only thing I see as problematic with fiat is who has control over its value: is it the people using it like Bitcoin, or some sort of central authority like the USD?
    个人而言,我不觉得以黄金作为货币的后盾是个好主意。我认为,还是将货币和商品分割开来比较好。法币的真正问题在于谁能控制其价值:是类似于比特币这样的社区呢,还是类似于美元这样的中央政府呢?
    Seriously, I love cryptocurrency and how it has potential to change our economic system but posts like this show off how so many people who support Bitcoin and cryptocurrency don’t understand basic economics.
    说真的,我爱加密货币,也希望它能改变目前的经济秩序。但是这种帖子恰好反应了支持比特币以及加密货币的人们连基本的经济学知识都不了解。

    This only recently began too with all the “get rich quick” investors looking at crypto. Back in 2013, the community actually understood the purpose and why crypto is so important.伴随着幻想“一夜暴富”的投资者进入币圈,这种风气是最近正在不断蔓延。2013年,社区的人们都了解比特币的目的,也知道为什么加密货币如此重要。
    I'm lovin' it!
    我就喜欢!